Interview With Ronald D. Clements

From the interview with Ronald D. Clements of Swartz Creek, MI conducted by phone on July 14, 2005 by Oran DeBois from the Fort Worden History Center. Mr. Clements served in the 369th EASR at Fort Worden from 1951 to 1953. Here he describes the landing craft he was assigned and one of his adventures:

“I was a coxswain on the boat and I had an engine man and two seamen. (It was an) LCM6, 56 foot long, 14 feet wide, weighed about 100 ton empty, was powered by two Gray marine diesel engines, 225 horsepower a piece. We travelled all over the Sound. We had a Shore Batallion across the Sound. They didn’t have access to the mainland, so I would often volunteer for ferry service. …The Coast Guard came in from Seattle and gave us an opportunity to study all the rules and regulations of all inland waters of the United States. I studied that for my own use and for the safety of my people, because there was a lot going on across that Sound in the fog. Many times we went by a compass.

Towards the very end of my career there, the Navy came up from the Naval Amphibious Base in San Diego with the big AK cargo ships and APA transport ships. I’d walk my landing craft in there and they’d put the cables down and lift that thing right up and put it on the deck. Then they took us down to the Navy base and then we had a mock three day invasion landing off Camp Pendleton. They left us out of the ship and I dropped the landing craft down. The engine man and I went down in nets and then got the engine started. I kept it against the ship and they brought the cables down and then brought the cables loose. We got into a line of departure several miles out, we got in circles.

I think I was about the fifteenth wave to hit the beach. I remember hitting the beach with 100 Marines in my well deck. I hit the beach hard, but the tide was out and there was not sufficient gradient to get them on. They had to get out in about a foot and a half of water.

The Shore Batallion was there too. They put numbers on the beach for ammunition, food and all that. There were ten different things on the beach. After we established the beachhead then we went from ship to shore with mock equipment and so forth. All the branches of the service were involved. It was quite a thing.”

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Interview With Barbara Christensen

From the interview with Barbara Christensen of Albert Lea, MN conducted by phone from the Fort Worden History Center on June 7, 2005 by Clare Ledden. Ms. Christensen, wife of John L. Christensen of the 369th EASR, lived in Port Townsend during the time her husband was stationed at Fort Worden, 1951-53. Here she describes what life was like in those days:

“We didn’t live on the Fort, we lived on the main street above the old creamery. The building was condemned when we lived there. I can tell you the first night we were there in our apartment, right across the street was a bar that a lot of soldiers were in. All I heard all night was ‘Jambalaya and a crawfish pie and file gumbo’. We had a tiny little kitchen with an ice box. The living room was one fairly good size, and the bedroom was off that. There was one chair that was overstuffed that looked like it was real comfortable til you sat in it and hit the floor. The rest of the furniture was orange crates and tables, and a metal bed–that’s about all. We shared a bath and shower with the floor we were on. There were four apartments on the floor.”

About social life:
“Quite a few soldiers were from our area, and we did a lot of making homemade root beer together with some of the couples in the building a block behind us. We played bingo at the Legion on Friday nights. …I can remember going to the Safeway grocery. At one time, one of the fellows from Sleepy Eye, Minnesota had a girlfriend who was coming out to get married. I went to the store to buy stuff to make their wedding supper. The guy at the meat counter said,’ Do you know anybody from One Eye, Minnesota?’ And I thought One Eye, I told him I never heard of One Eye. He said, ‘Well, he’s out here. His girlfriend just got here to get married.’ I said,’Oh, you mean Sleepy Eye! That’s what I’m buying food for. I’m making their supper.’

Other than going to play bingo, we really didn’t have any money to do much and we didn’t have a car. We did go to the movies, but not on the base. The only time we got out to the base was if one of the other fellows was going and we rode with them.”

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Interview With Dwight L. Chandler

From the interview with Dwight L. Chandler of Centraila, WA conducted by Pam Clise at the Fort Worden History Center on June 19, 2003. Mr. Chandler served in the 369th EASR from 1951 to1953. Most of his time was spent at Fort Worden, much to his chagrin because he had been living in Port Townsend and, as a young man eager to see the world, he had hoped to be sent abroad.

Here he describes one of his experiences as a crewman on an LCM:
“The whole regiment went up to Neah Bay on maneuvers, practice landing and all that…we got right up by Dungeness Spit and this horrendous storm came up. … the boats had these big whip antennas that were 20 feet high. The storm was so bad that you couldn’t see the top of the whip antenna on the boat next to you.

We got caught in a trough, and then it picked us up and slammed us down in the next trough. We must have dropped 10, 15 feet, just KAH-BAM. The bottom of the boat was flat, the landing ramp fell in the water and all this water is coming in. I thought,’Oh boy, we’re going to drown.’ The coxswain got the boat turned around, so the other crewmen and I tied big heavy ropes around our waists or up around our shoulders and we walked out on both sides of the boat to the front holding on with one hand. As soon as he saw us out there, the coxswain brought the ramp up and we secured it with rope so that we could go on to Neah Bay.

It stormed all the way there and it took awhile to get there. When we got inside the harbor at Neah Bay, (we saw that) some of the boats had been hit so hard by the waves that they had been thrown up on the tidal (basin) where all the logs and stuff congregate in a storm. Threw these boats, they weigh about 70,80 tons–just picked them up bodily and threw the clear up on the rocks. That’s how bad it was storming.

(To get the boats back) they had one landing craft that wasn’t in too bad a shape. It was carrying a big D9 tractor. They off loaded him on the beach and he jerked the boats off the logs, pretty easy because they were on the wood. They brought the boats back into the water, but it was pretty scary. We didn’t lose any boats and nobody was hurt. That was the first time I’d ever been in a big storm. It was interesting. I don’t regret it because it proved that when you’ve got to do it, you’ve got to do it.”

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Interview With Thomas A. Anthony

From the interview with Thomas A. Anthony of Kittitas, WA conducted by Val Didjurgis on May 17, 2002 at the Fort Worden History Center. Mr. Anthony served in the 369th EASR, from 1950 to 1952, at Fort Worden, Fort Flagler, and Rochefort, France.

Here he describes an incident at Fort Flagler:
“They brought over four M boats one time. Dead ones, they were motor shocked. Brought them over at high tide. We pulled them up with our cats, up on the beach quite a little ways so the stevedores could practice loading and unloading them. That night they had an exceptionally high tide. We got down there in the morning, we didn’t have any M boats. The ramps were down and they were out to sea. The Boat Batallion found three of them pretty close, but the Coast Guard found the last one clear out in the Strait of Juan de Fuca.”

In answer to a question about food when he was stationed in France:
“We had our own cooks and our own mess halls. The only time I know the Army ever let you bring alcohol to the table in the fort those days was when we were over there. They had high tides and the sea water got into the city wells. Rochefort is pretty close to the seacoast…So, all the city water was salty, you couldn’t drink it. They gave us permission to bring our wine bottles to the table, so we did.”

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Interview With Alvin Hominda

From the interview with Alvin Hominda of Tacoma, WA conducted by Oran DeBois at the Fort Worden History Center on February 21, 2004. Mr. Hominda served in Company A of the 369th EASR at Fort Worden from 1950 to 1952.

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Here Mr. Hominda discusses his military career:

“ I was inducted into the Army at Fort Lewis November 16th 1950. Approximately one month later was brought to Fort Worden, Washington. Took my basic training at Fort Worden. It was some of the time at Fort Lewis but the majority of the basic was at Fort Worden. It was in a boat, landing craft company, that was out of the Reserve outfit from Oregon that claimed us. We practiced land mines. That was in our basic boot camp, basic training. We did that here. Our machine gun firing live ammunition over our heads was all done at Fort Lewis. They would bus us down to Fort Lewis. Our rifle range was out on Discovery Bay. It was the CCC camp that built a firing range. We fired there. Our other training was right here on Fort Worden. We did everything here, from marching, learned to march, the simulated gun fire out in the parade fields, to you name it. The only things we did at Fort Lewis were just what we weren’t set up to do here.

After our training, I learned how to operate the boats, run the boats through the San Juans to Neah Bay, to La Push, to different places, made landings, simulated landings. We’re training to go to Korea. I had taken A Company to Greenland for three months that summer and then we came back and this was our home base. I was here all the time except for the time in Greenland and two different schools. A month before I was out of the Army, they took the boats and put them on LST’s and took them off the California coast for maneuvers which I didn’t partake in. I did take the last remaining troops out to the LST, but one month later I was out of the service.

I was a coxswain on the boats. I started with a rank as Recruit and got Sergeant. … These LST’s were built for the Sherman tanks. When we went on maneuvers I would haul the bulldozer, because we always took a bulldozer. We took an A frame that they pulled the boats up with when we used to work on them when we were at La Push or anyplace that we were going to be for a length of time, to repair the shafts and the props on the boats. We had one boat that was a landing craft, but it was made into a chow boat that we tied up and we ate off of on our maneuvers. Had another boat that was a machine shop so if a boat broke down underway they’d pull up and lash it on the side and keep it up and get it running again. I ran the salvage boat for a while just before I got out of the service.

I was in the first barracks coming through the main gate, that was A Company. There was A, B and C Company, Headquarters Company. The rest of our outfit was on Marrowstone Island. They were the combat engineers. We were the amphibious engineers. …Everybody from Marrowstone Island had to come over here too, from Fort Flagler. In fact, there for a while I’d run a boat back and forth before they had the bridge over there So those guys came into town. There was nothing at Fort Casey. I went to Fort Casey once and that was just a fire watch over there at the time. I dropped a truck off to bring supplies over there.

We used the boat harbor down at Hudson Point. The only company that used the boat harbor here was C Company because there wasn’t enough room to haul all the boats, but Hudson Point was completely filled with landing craft. Each one of the companies had what they call a crash boat, a 36 foot pleasure craft that the officers rode on when we went on maneuvers. We also had a Army tug down there. They used that for when we did night maneuvers, because it was equipped with radar and so forth, and we followed it. On those landing craft, we had no compass. You went from dead reckoning. In fact, when I took the one maneuver, we left at one o’clock in the morning from Wilson Point. As our number was called up, we went up to the command boat and that was a big one, 65 footer, all high officers on it. We were handed a chart with it mapped up which way we were supposed to go and where we were supposed to meet. You’re out there in the middle of the black Strait, you didn’t know how you’d find your way up through the San Juans until it got light.”

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Interview with Almanza “Red” Rogers

From the interview with Almanza “Red” Rogers of Randle, WA conducted by Clio Ward by phone on March 19, 2014 from Port Townsend. Mr. Rogers served at Fort Worden in the 369th EASR during the Korean War Era.

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Here he discusses a lifelong friendship and how he came to Fort Worden:

When we were waiting at Fort Lewis to find out where we were going to go, I was on KP and one of the other KPs was John Singhose. But come to find out that it was Thanksgiving Day and the head cook was from Bremerton and he’d been reactivated and he ran a donut shop in Bremerton and he remembered me. So we had pretty good KP then. So John Singhose and I have been friends now since 1950. I stood up when he got married and he stood up at our wedding.

To make a long story short, there was some real tough weather and a bunch of bridges and landslides and stuff. But we were supposed to go to Fort Ord and eventually go to Korea but that fell through. The 369th had just been activated and the regiment commander was looking for people to fill the outfit out. That’s the reason we ended up in Fort Worden. It wasn’t because of anything other than bad weather. We were available.

A hospital stay:
I was on a CQ (Care of Quarters) one night and oh in the morning I was just sicker than a dog. They took me up to the hospital and put me in bed. And a couple of days later they found out what was wrong. I broke out with the measles. I was sick for a few days. I got treated good, it was a small outfit and a lot of different than the likes of if you were at Fort Lewis or something like that. You’d just be a number there.

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Interview with Carla Van Der Ven

From the interview with Carla Van der Ven conducted by Clio Ward on February 19, 2013
at the Fort Worden History Center in Fort Worden State Park. Ms. Van der Ven owns Port Townsend Hospitality, which she started in 2008. She has worked at Fort Worden in various capacities since 1984.
Here she discusses her business, and her career with Centrum in the years before:

“ We do janitorial and linen services, housekeeping in the rental houses for both state parks and the Centrum units up there. On a daily basis we are in the houses tidying them, changing sheets, towels. When people aren’t here we clean them this time of year. We deep clean, which is ceilings to walls to floors and carpet cleaning and all that just to get them ready for summer. Right now there are 12 full time employees,during the summer probably 18. The coin operated laundry was an original part of the business . The number of people who use it really varies. In the summer it’s real popular with all the workshops and things going on. We have eight machines. as far as how many people it’s really hard to tell. I just kind of go on every day when we empty the quarters. We had really good business here last night. Everybody had company here last night. We do have some pretty loyal repeat customers who come in, and half the time I think it’s just to visit, it’s very nice. We don’t open the coin op to the public until 3:30 in the afternoons and usually there’s somebody in the Laundromat until 4:30. So you get a chance to visit with a lot of people. It’s kind of fun.”
About her career with Centrum:
“ I have worked for Joe Wheeler at Centrum. He also owned Meister Burger in town. I had worked there for about a year. Then my husband and I moved away for a year. When we came back I asked him for another job and they just happened to have one at Centrum. I started there transcribing their mailing list. They used to use an old cardex system with little metal plates that had everybody’s name stamped in them. They would put them in the machine and run the brochures over the metal. My job was taking all the names from all those pieces of metal and putting them on a computer database.

Once the database was compiled then I worked kind of wherever they put me. I worked with Dolores Hansen doing record keeping and registration. I worked in the programs. I was kind of a program assistant. I could be at the schoolhouse when Fiddletunes or Jazz Port Townsend was going on and help the program director with whatever, get coffee or run here and make copies or things like that. Then I left for a couple of years for family stuff and came back and went to work as the Registrar. I did that for several years. Then I worked into being the program director for the Writers’ Conference. It was very interesting. The whole career at Centrum I got to meet some fairly awesome people, really nice people. I did that for ten years. I also coordinated travel for programs and did the contracting for all the programs for several years. I also was the liaison between Centrum and Parks. I worked on booking the spaces that we used. Then at the end I was the assistant to the executive director. I got to work with Joe Wheeler of course. Toni Aspin followed Joe and then Carol Shiffman, and then Thatcher Bailey. Joe was my champion throughout. He was an awesome human being. He believed that everybody had their job to do and they just do their job and his job was to raise money. He was super to work with. The other people who came in were a lot more number oriented, just educated in different ways. Personality wise, Joe could go and talk to any legislator or banker. We had some pretty high powered people on our board from Seattle for several years, especially around building the McCurdy Pavilion. Joe was a wonderful guy to work with. Each subsequent director had his or her own different style of managing and micromanaging . Thatcher was interesting to work with. He also was somebody who had his agenda and that was to get money for Centrum. When Thatcher came here, it was back to the ‘everybody just does their own job’ kind of thing . It was a pretty fun ride the whole time. I learned a lot from Joe and from a couple of the other directors, I learned what not to have happen or do. It’s such a resilient organization that it saw through wherever we had to go, so it’s been pretty fun.”

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Interview With George Thomsen

From the interview with George Thomsen of Port Townsend conducted at the Fort Worden History Center by Clio Ward on January 13, 2013. Mr. Thomsen and his wife Joan were co-directors of the Heritage Group, the organization than ran the Commanding Officers Quarters Museum for many years. Here he responds to a question about how the group acquired furnishings for the house.

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“Well, many ways. People in town who were closing up or discarding things would call us. We were pretty fussy about what we took. We did not want to take things that didn’t belong to the period. One of the big heartbreakers was, during a big reunion here, a large family reunion, they very kindly presented us with a silver tea set that they wanted to go into the Quarters. It was from a relative who had worked here at the Fort. They made a big presentation at a dinner that we were invited to, which we went to in uniform and everything. At the end of the presentation they said, “Of course this is on loan.” We immediately had to say, “Thank you but we are not interested. We would love to have it but we can’t take it. We’re not going to take any loans.” But we got some furniture from people.

A friend of mine was in touch with the couple that got us the silver pieces that are in the dining room now. The pieces had a long history. They had belonged to the gentleman who had been an architect who did a lot of the early work in laying out the Fort. This gentleman was somehow connected and married into a family that lived in one of the big Victorians right behind Aldrich’s Market up there on the hill. The silver had been a wedding gift to him and his wife. It was, as I remember, we were told, somehow or other they had somebody working in their house who stole it. He was in the Coast Guard or Navy or something. But our friend knew who he was and they tracked him down and he finally did return it all, but took a hammer to some of the pieces before he sent it back. So some of those pieces–we had them turned just right, so that you can’t see the dents . We looked into having the dents removed. They’d need a real specialist to do it but we couldn’t find one. So we had to be creative.“

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Interview With Mary Pat Sweetman

From the interview with Mary Pat Sweetman conducted by Hazel Hatfield at the Fort Worden History Center on September 10, 2002. The subject of the interview was the military career of Ms. Sweetman’s father, Nicholas Kenkel (1889-1987) of Earling, Iowa during World War I. Army Private Kenkel did his basic training at Fort Worden and was sent to France near the end of the conflict.

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“ Nicholas Kenkel, was born on December 8, 1889, near Earling, Iowa, the oldest of ten children. His father had emigrated to the United States from Luxembourg as a young man. His mother too came from Luxembourg, although they didn’t know each other beforehand. They both moved to the town of Earling and were later married there. As a young man, Nicholas worked at several jobs around the Earling area. In the Spring of 1917, he started farming the parental farm near Defiance, Iowa. On April 6th of that same year, the United States declared war on Germany and we entered World War I. Within a month or two, Nicholas was drafted into the US Army but he was granted a deferment so that he was able to harvest his crops.

He was inducted on December 19th 1917 at the age of 27. For basic training, Nicholas was sent to Fort Worden, Washington, on the Puget Sound. Along with several other men from Earling, he left from Harlan, Iowa, on a train with about 500 other men also bound for the Army. This group arrived at their destination at Fort Worden on Christmas Day. In my father’s words, they were tired and hungry, and were treated to a Christmas dinner.

Nicholas joined the Second Company Army, 69th Division of Heavy Artillery. He spent that time until a furlough in June in the Fort Worden area. He talked a lot about his walks into town, particularly going to the Catholic Church, from which he had postcards. Also he had postcards of many of the other important buildings that were in the town at that time. I do not know much about his time at the base. I know that he enjoyed it here and that he learned to shoot the heavy artillery, the huge guns that were protecting the Strait into Fort Worden and into the town. He left for a furlough in June of 1918. We do have pictures of him on his furlough. He returned to the base and from there he was sent to France.

At some time while he was here, he must have purchased a locket from perhaps a jewelry store, I don’t know where, but he sent my mother a locket with his picture in it. She then in turn had her picture taken with the locket on and sent it back to him. He had that picture in France, I know. There was a letter, my older sister has the letter accompanying that picture. But at any rate, he, because this climate was quite different from Iowa and my father being a farmer, he noticed things like the flowers here, how they would dry out in the summer. I remember him talking about strawberries and apples, but the strawberries in particular were so big and so luscious here. I know he was very impressed with this marine type climate that you have in Port Townsend. He always had good things to say about it. He must have really enjoyed this particular base because he developed quite a comradeship with some of his buddies and I know he used to write to them. I can remember him sending out Christmas cards. I can’t remember the names now but I know that he had nothing but fond memories of this place.

They left Fort Worden to go to the east coast where they would be shipped to France. The day they left was July 31st and they arrived on the east coast on August the 18th. For the trip across the country, they went by rail most of the time and they were treated by the Red Cross often at different points along the way. For their exercise they marched and were off the train and marching. They would then take their swims in the rivers. In particular, one Minnesota river was very cold and dirty, he said, full of clamshells on the bottom. They did do that for the way they could bathe every day. In Chicago, he told about going to Garfield Park where they were at liberty for one hour.

Then they went into Canada because they went past Lake Ontario. They were treated with ice cream at Niagara Falls, and they were granted some liberty at Niagara Falls. In his own words he said, “It sure was a grand sight.” Then the next day they left on the 6th and they arrived in Weehawken, New Jersey.

Then they went by ferry boat across the Hudson River to Camp Mills. It took a little time for them to get onto the boat that they actually shipped out on. The boat that they left the US from was called the FS Jason. It had been used as a transport ship to transport cattle. My father said it was very dirty and messy. Before they could set sail, the soldiers had to clean the ship. Then they hung hammocks, and the hammocks were the soldiers’ beds for the trip across the water. They left on about the 18th and they arrived on the 31st in Portsmouth, England. From there they took a train to Southampton and then they went across the English Channel to Le Havre, France. It was from Le Havre that they went south in France and spent some time in a small town, but mostly their contingent was stationed around Libourne.

Some of the soldiers went to more training or drilling, but my father was one who went to Auto Truck and Caterpillar Driving School for some weeks. Actually they never saw action because by the time they got to France and got situated, the war was almost over and they just didn’t see any action at all, so perhaps that was lucky. Then it took a while for everyone to mobilize and come home because there were so many soldiers over there that they would be told one day that they were going to leave and then they’d postpone it. But in the meantime he read about going to delousing camp. Whatever that entailed I’m not sure. But finally, their 59th Division was given the right to sail and they said after some false starts, they were ready to go.

They came home on the ship “Mercury.” The Mercury was formerly a ship that the Kaisers had used and it was called the Barbarossa before the war. Actually when my father came home, this was the sixth trip across for American troops on that particular ship. They set sail for America on the 4th February 1919.They saw the shores of the US on February 18th. It was a very rough seas and the men were really sick a lot of the time. In fact, I have in the packet part of one of the papers that was published on the ship called “The Mercurial Messenger.” In it they write how they would line up at the rail because they were so sick. They had an Army chaplain along and they spent some time playing cards and doing the things that the men would be doing on the way back. At one point they say they had a mutiny, and actually the mutiny was because of thirst. They said they were looking for something like beer or wine to have along the way. They landed in Virginia at Newport News. They spent a couple of nights at Camp Stuart before riding the train for Camp Eustis in Virginia. Then after that, they were sent off wherever they were to go to their nearest camp from their home. For my father that was Camp Dodge, Iowa, and that’s near Des Moines, Iowa.”

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