Interview With Harry Plowman

From the interview with Harry Plowman of Quincy, PA conducted by Oran De Bois on January 4, 2004 by telephone from the Fort Worden History Center. Mr. Plowman served in the US Army from 1942 to 1952 and attained the rank of colonel. He served in both World War II and Korea. Here he describes the night the Fort Worden Officers Club was destroyed by fire:

“We had a very nice one. About two o’clock one morning I heard the fire siren blow and so I got up and looked out the window from where we lived off post and I saw all these flames. Our Officer’s club was on fire and it burned completely down to the ground. The next morning the only thing that was left was a large native stone fireplace and chimney. A lot of my friends joked and accused me for burning down the Officer’s Club. The reason they did this (was because) at noon time all the officers went there and made lunch most of the time, and we had a cribbage game going all the time. You tried to work your way up to be on top, be the first man on the ladder as far as cribbage players were concerned. They knew that I became the top man on the cribbage ladder—of course, it was that night that the club burned down. So everybody accused me…so I would always be the number one cribbage player.”

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Interview With Norman Nolan

From the interview with Norman Nolan of Port Townsend on December 19, 2006 by Patience Rogge at the Fort Worden History Center. Mr. Nolan served in the US Coast Guard and was keeper of the Point Wilson Light House in the 1960’s. This story concerns an incident when he was keeper of the light on Smith Island in the Strait of Juan de Fuca:

“There was a big round ball like a buoy floated in, washed up on the beach. And I looked at it and it had little dimples all over it. And every time I’d have an inspection I’d say, “You know, I think that’s a mine.” And the young officers didn’t, they had no idea. But I got an old Commander to come out there. I said, “I think that’s a mine, Commander.” And he said, “Evacuate the island.” It was a mine. It was a British practice mine. They sent the Navy out and they exploded it.”

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Interview With Stan Muench

From the interview with Stan Muench of Seattle conducted by phone from the Fort Worden Oral History Center by Patience Rogge on March 16, 2005. Mr. Muench was a staff social worker at the Fort Worden Juvenile Treatment Center from June 1969 to October 1970. He and his wife lived in Bliss Vista cottage and paid $30.00 a month rent for the house overlooking Admiralty Inlet. Here he recalls pleasant things about living at Fort Worden:

“I would tell you that the two most pleasant things I remember about living at the Fort are foggy days when you’d wake up in the morning and you’d hear the foghorns out on the bay on the buoys out in Admiralty Inlet. That was really a nice sound to hear. The other nice thing is walking on the beaches at Fort Worden on a hot summer day maybe in August with a low tide where you could see the kelp beds and see some of the exposed lower part of the beach. Those are two memories I have of the place.”

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Interview With Lee W. Metcalf

 

From the interview with Lee W. Metcalf of Richland, WA conducted by Henry West July 7, 2002 at the Fort Worden History Center. Mr. Metcalf served in the 248th Coast Artillery at Fort Worden in 1939 and 1940, when he was 18 years old. During World War II he served in the 104th Infantry Division, and saw action in Europe. He died on February 4, 2003. Here he described guard duty at Fort Worden:

“I suppose the most interesting or exciting part (of service at Fort Worden) I played was walking guard post. We spent our off-duty time in the guard house. We called it the guard shack. Across the street from the guard shack was the dirigible hangar, which was empty. That was one of the posts we had to walk. On the changing of the guard, those who had .45 calibers would stand on the front porch of the guard house, point them toward the dirigible hangar and unload. Apparently a lot of them didn’t know how to unload properly and they would squeeze one off, and it would bang off of the hangar. It was just a big laugh and there were a lot of dings in that building.”

{Note: The Guard House now serves as a gift shop and visitor information center and the dirigible hangar has been converted into McCurdy Pavilion, a large performance space.}

Here he described some of his experiences during the final days of World War II in Germany:

“We were in Bitterfeld on the Mulde River, a tributary of the Elbe. I hung around with the guys of the G Company. They had the ferry going across the river, which was a current driven ferry, strung on a cable. They’d turn it one way and the current would wash it that way, and they’d turn it the other way and it would wash it back. They brought a lot of Russians over on that. We’d shake hands and try to understand each other. What shocked me was the women in uniform. Our division had liberated quite a few Russian prisoners and we got to know them in that dimension of the war. One night I was in the Jeep with my lieutenant, about three o’clock in the morning we heard a bunch of noise. We looked off and there was a big blaze going. You could just see the reflection in the sky. I asked the lieutenant, ‘What do you suppose is going on over there? Didn’t hear any firing or anything.’ He told me, ‘That’s the way the Russians celebrate,’ he said. ‘They go into a town, they do their dancing and drinking, and then they set iton fire.’ It was pretty lively with those guys.”

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Interview With William E. Matheson

 

From the interview with William E. Matheson of Port Hadlock, WA conducted by Henry West at the Fort Worden History Center on November 7, 2002. Mr. Matheson worked at Fort Worden from December 1, 1959 to July 1, 1985. He began as maintenance shop supervisor during the Juvenile Diagnostic and Treatment Center days and retired as Plant Manager, working for Washington State Parks. Here he describes unearthing a relic of the Fort’s early days as an Army post:

“I was involved in locating the Dinky Locomotive that was lost for 60 years here at Fort Worden. It was used in the construction of Fort Worden, Fort Flagler and Fort Casey across the water. They would transport the little engine on barges back and forth to use in construction. Lance Covely, Joe Benson and I were tearing down a building on the waterfront by the dock and we found it buried in the sand. That was in February 1973. There was no map or record of where it was buried. They knew it was buried somewhere but thought it was much north of where it was found. If that building hadn’t been torn down it never would have been found. When I dug away this metal object I could see that it was a wheel of a locomotive because of the way it was made…it was lying on its top. Apparently the track was there that the locomotive sat on and when they got word to bury it because it would be too costly to junk it,(records show that this was in 1913) they just dug a hole alongside the railroad track and pushed and tipped it over so that it landed on its top. We notified the park manager and the word spread rapidly that the locomotive had been found. We had (railroad buffs) coming from all over—Portland, Seattle, Port Angeles. We called an engineering company in Port Townsend to come with their equipment and lift the locomotive out of the hole and put it on a lowboy trailer and move it into one of our buildings. It took a little work but we were able to get cables around it. We didn’t want to injure it by lifting it, so the cables were placed just a certain way. After we got it right side up and on the ground, we noticed that the wheels turned and the door to the firebox could swing open, the inside still had charcoal that hadn’t burned completely. It was quite an excitement.”

{Note: As of 2012, the Dinky Locomotive that was found in 1973 still awaits restoration in Bldg. 265, the Motor Pool Building.}

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Interview with E.G. “Gus” Lindquist

From the interview with E.G. “ Gus” Lindquist of Port Townsend, conducted by John Clise at the Fort Worden History Center on October 1, 2003. Mr. Lindquist was the first Superintendent of the Fort Worden Juvenile Diagnostic and Treatment Center. He died in 2004. Here he was discussing the history of the building known as Bliss Vista on the Fort Worden campus:

“What we did was provide housing for the hard to get people…the clinicians, the social workers, the psychologists, the psychiatrist…Eventually we got a psychiatrist named Barbara Bliss from Menninger Foundation in Topeka. She was a good psychiatrist, but in order to get her, we had to do quite a bit. There’s a little house called Bliss Vista, on the hill right next to the gun emplacements ….We moved it there, put it in operation, turned it around so that it faced the water. It’s the best house there, and it was Barbara’s house, she paid thirty dollars a month for it.”

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Interview With Valerie O. Koschnick

From the interview with Valerie O. Koschnick of Centralia, WA on February 12, 2004 conducted by phone from the Fort Worden History Center by Patience Rogge. Ms. Koschnick is the widow of Robert Koschnick, the Superintendent of the Fort Worden Juvenile Diagnostic and Treatment Center when it closed in 1971. She was Supervisor of the Social Service Department of the Center, and the family lived in the Commanding Officer’s Quarters. Here she discusses the final days:

“It was very stressful… My husband was very, very busy as superintendent trying to find or help the other staff members to get a job and make sure all the children (the residents) had places to go which were suitable for them. …We were out of housing and jobs and it was very stressful. Our children—one of them was in junior high and the other one was in high school—very much did not want to leave and were very upset to say good-bye to all our friends there.”

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Interview With Rodney E. Kendall

From the interview with Rodney E. Kendall of Puyallup on October 18, 2003 by Wendy Los. Mr. Kendall worked for Kendall Construction, the firm that built the lower campground at Fort Worden in 1973. This story concerns an unusual find unearthed when the electrical system was being installed:

“We were digging between the hangar buildings, the dirigible hangars that were down there near the beach. We started digging the trenching to run the wires out and tie into the existing power lines that were out by the Coast Guard lighthouse. We started digging up all these horse bones, the skulls and leg bones and the spines and all the parts of  horses. There were several of them, quite a few of them.  We found out that this was a burial site from when Fort Worden was first in its construction process. When the first Army troops were in here they had a lot of horses. This was a burial site that they set up  where they buried the animals that had passed away…(the horses) all laid in there and decayed …until we got there and dug right through the middle of it all…We were just digging a narrow trench two feet wide. I assume this burial site covers quite a large area…who knows, there could be hundreds of them down there.”

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Interview With Frederick Johnson

From the interview with Frederick Johnson of Port Townsend conducted by Oran DeBois at the Fort Worden History Center on November 12, 2002. Mr. Johnson was the music teacher and band director at the Fort Worden Juvenile Diagnostic and Treatment Center. Here he talks about the band program and some of the residents:

“We had all age groups, from youngsters who were exceedingly bright to those who were not so bright, fun to work with. I would take them on trips to play concerts. We played at half time at basketball games in town. My wife and I would take the two huge station wagons we had on the Fort and we’d load them up with the band and the instruments and take them to Seattle and we’d play at a girls’ treatment center in Seattle. It was quite interesting. Some of the youngsters would run, they called it “ramble.” They would steal cars and burglarize homes (nearby). I lived just up the hill, so I told the kids, ‘Anytime you want to ramble, just stop by my house and I’ll pack you a lunch.’ They never came to my house but they stole cars all the way around it.”

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Interview With Robert L. Jackson

From the interview with Robert L. Jackson of Tacoma on September 30, 2008 by Patience Rogge. Mr. Jackson was a social worker and classification counselor at the Juvenile Diagnostic and Treatment Center from September 1968 to June 1970. This story concerns some unusual visitors to Fort Worden:

“I had a girl who was a girlfriend of somebody in the Black Panthers. And the Black Panthers arrived in Port Townsend. Six guys in a car all with black leather jackets and black dark glasses and black hats. And they were an impressive looking group…(I) went back to the administrative building and there was this group of six guys standing there intimidating the operator like mad and wanting to take this girl out on a pass. And it was quickly revealed that none of them were relatives of the girl and I said it couldn’t happen….They finally trotted off to their car and left town. My impression was that the local townsfolk thought the Panthers had handguns when they got to the southern border of town and by the time they got to Fort Worden it was bazookas.”

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